A number of DAX firms are members of the Cyber Safety Council Germany. However the tip of the membership falls sharply the ARD analysis proximity to Russian actors who play a questionable position in our on-line world.
By Georg Heil, Andrea Becker, rbb, Michael Götschenberg, ARD Capital Studio
An excellent sky in Garmisch-Partenkirchen and a Russian flag on the Posthotel have been the backdrop for a gathering that had all of it. For over three days, IT specialists, scientists and authorities officers met for a convention on cyber safety, counterterrorism and cyber warfare. Invited was NAIIS, a Russian affiliation for worldwide info safety. The visitors got here from Russia, Europe, Asia and the US.
The convention has existed for a number of years and is well-known in German safety circles. He says he has a "Russian intelligence background". These participating expose themselves to the hazard of being abused for propaganda functions.
Additionally a German on the record of audio system
German solely within the record of conferences: Hans-Wilhelm Dünn, President of the Info Safety Council Germany e. V. (CSRD). The membership has high-profile members of Airbus, Deutsche Bahn on the Commerzbank, E.ON for Volkswagen. A number of federal states and the Federal Ministry of Well being belong to him.
contrasts and "time" met Hans-Wilhelm Dünn for an interview. We wish to know if he and his membership are partaking in Russian propaganda and if he has contacts with Russian secret providers.
"We don't make propaganda for Russia, we do propaganda for one thing that's necessary (..) I've an affect on what's necessary to me: communication in our on-line world, right here we've got large issues, hundreds of thousands of assaults. We've got billions of potential harm, it's all a matter of life or demise, we do not know how we're embracing this drawback globally - and that is my curiosity, and that's the reason it's so necessary to maintain this communication with all related gamers, and naturally in Russia, China and different international locations. "
Even communication with Russian secret providers?
"In fact, with all of the related actors, and this additionally consists of intelligence providers."
Totally different and questionable contacts in Russia
Dünn, the president of the IT Safety Affiliation, a neighborhood politician of the Potsdam CDU, cultivates completely different and debatable contacts with the Russian authorities. In his capability as President of the CSRD, he made himself accessible for an election statement mission in Zimbabwe. Consumer: a corporation known as AFRIC, which he had solely lately based. Who's behind AFRIC?
the Contrasts of ARD magazines and "Time" is an inner presentation on the elections in Zimbabwe, offered by the London "File Middle" of the Russian opposition Mikhail Khodorkovsky.
It's mentioned that he comes from an African workplace in St. Petersburg financed by the Russian entrepreneur Yevgeny Prigoshin. He states: "Russia is within the stability of the facility of the president and is able to contribute to its strengthening". An election statement mission can be explicitly talked about within the doc.
"Pretend" -Wahlbeobachtung
With the monetary assist of the German Overseas Ministry, political scientist Anton Shekhovtsov wrote an evaluation of the AFRIC mission in Zimbabwe. For him, the mission during which Dünn participated was a "false election statement" and "political activism". The top of the AFRIC declared two days earlier than the precise elections in an interview with a newspaper that the Zimbabwean president would assure "free, honest and credible elections". However after the elections, there have been riots in Zimbabwe, the opposition suspected electoral fraud.
Official EU election observers have additionally talked about abuses of energy and intimidation, in distinction to the AFRIC group, which additionally included Dünn. Reverse subtly affirmed contrasts and "time" to have "no information" of the untimely declaration of election observers. He couldn't consider it and was invited by an Indian to the AFRIC mission. However why did he even take part in Russia's election statement mission?
Doable confusion with the opinion of the federal authorities
The previous president of the Federal Intelligence Service, Gerhard Schindler, considers the Cyber Safety Council e.V. total problematic. The membership's title is confusingly much like the "Nationwide Cyber Safety Council", based in 2011 by the federal authorities, during which state businesses and companies are linked. "Above all overseas, chances are you'll get the impression that somebody is talking for the Federal Republic of Germany, which isn't the case," mentioned Schindler contrasts and "time". However that is precisely what the Russian companions of the Cyber Safety Council appear to be.
Then within the context of the assembly in Garmisch-Patenkirchen: Then he reported the Russian NAIIS affiliation on his web site, "Germany and Russia" had signed a memorandum on pc safety, not the German non-public affiliation Cyber Safety Council.
Along with Dünn he signed the Russian colonel normal a.D. Vladislav Sherstyuk, a veteran of the extremely embellished Russian intelligence. His profession started on the KGB, later he led the Russian Telecommunications Intelligence, then labored for the FSB.
Schindler considers the cooperation settlement signed by Dünn for his membership to be problematic. "It seems rather a lot like an affect, after an affect on the Russian aspect, which will be completely and straight on the Russian aspect by the Cybersicherheitsrat."
I needed to cooperate with the Russian secret providers
Rejects the accusation that Skinny leaves each himself and his cybersecurity eV recommendation exploited for the Russian affect, saying that it's "necessary to take care of this communication with all related gamers and, in fact, additionally Russia , China and different states ".
In response to a query about whether or not this included communication with the Russian secret providers, he offers a shocking and explosive reply: "Clearly, with all of the related actors, together with the intelligence providers". In keeping with Dünns, the Russian entrepreneur Andrej Razzorenov is a member of the German IT Safety Council e.V.
Razzorenov hosted a hacking competitors in Krasnodar, Russia. In keeping with Russian media stories, representatives of the Russian secret service FSB have been additionally current at this expertise present. Skinny defined that also they are organizing a hacking competitors with Razzorenov in Germany.
Membership members have no idea the agreements
Severe concern for Dünn's motion can be expressed by Bundestag member Manuel Sarrazin of the Greens. The cooperation settlement signed with Garmisch von Dünn gives the look "{that a} door opener ought to be created there for the reasoning of the Russian affect on German cyber safety".
Sarrazin calls on the IT Safety Council for organized firms and likewise the authorities to rethink whether or not this actually matches their pursuits. All contrasts and the "time" required from the businesses responded that they weren't conscious of Dünn's actions in Zimbabwe and the cooperation settlement with NAIIS.
One member already has penalties: the "Bund Deutscher Kriminalbeamter" BDK. Its president Sebastian Fiedler proposes to his council to ask for the resignation of Dünn or to resolve the exit of a membership: "I disapprove of the actions of Dünns", mentioned Fiedler contrastswho allowed himself to lie down in entrance of the Russian wagon.
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